Keep in mind Almost....initiating lawsuits can be expensive too. But the WTBS isn't out for money. They want him to shut the site down. So Quotes could probably throw them $ 25,000 (or less) and shut the site down and they would be happy. It doesn't make sense to sue someone with no money to get. But one must be VERY, VERY careful to avoid lawsuits. They are devestating. Especially when many lawyers will take cases on contingency whereby they get the first % of a settlement. For a few hours of their time they can make a few thousand $. It's sick!
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Almost....one can defend oneself "pro se", or no attorney. Only a fool would do this as they say. Check out: http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/ .
This site is the "rules" of federal procedure in a federal trial. Now these are the federal rules. Each court has it's own local rules to augment these rules. In addition each of these rules have decisions and precedents for them. So they are not really as black and white as they seem.
Having no money to defend oneself isn't an issue to the court system. Only in criminal cases will they appoint one for you. In civil cases you are S.O.L. -
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In America, you have to defend yourself against a complaint otherwise whatever the opposing party is claiming can be enforced....monetary claims, cease and desists, etc.
A defense lawyer costs between $ 175 to $ 250 per hour. ( For an actual attorney certified to try cases in federal court it's about $ 275 to $ 375 an hour).
Filing motions and studying various statutes and precedents takes hours and hours. Also in the discovery process each party has to spend time turning over evidence. Hours and hours are needed. In deposition stages, the parties call witnesses that get questioned by the opposing counsel. Airfare, hotel, and deposition time is needed. For a deposition it is quite common for the defending attorney to fly out two days before. They spend a 1/2 day preparing themselves for the deposition, spend a full day doing prep with the defendant for the deposition, and then a full day for the deposition. Quite possibly 20 hours work for a single deposition. 20 hours x $ 200 an hour = $ 8,000 plus travel expenses = $ 10,000.
Spending $ 200,000 in pre-trial expenses for a SIMPLE case is quite common. Spending another $ 50,000 to try it. For the appeal process add lots of time and money. In addition to the monies required....the time someone like Quote will have to spend is arduous. Perhaps 10 or 20 hours a week in fulfilling demands of the lawyers during the "slow phase" of the lawsuit. Once it gears up for trial then those #'s go way up too. Add to this the stress and burden of paying for one's legal defense, plus the lost time, and threats of losing everything you own to these bastards are usually enough for most people to throw their hands up and pay the bastards off. It's like the mafia holding you up for ransom. It's the way the American legal system works. It sucks, and lawyers are absolute bastards and facilitators of this behavior. It's sickening. -
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Article criticising Mennonites for shunning
by kwintestal inin the last few months there was an article in the wt or asleep!
about the mennonites or amish, and it mentioned how awful it was that these groups shunned members.. i can't for the life of me find it on this site, or on watchtower.org .
i need this for a project i'm working on.
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You've got to be kidding me? What a bunch of hypocrites! Makes me sick. However, I think I will bring this up to my parents on their next visit. Of course they will likey "not get it" either as someone above mentioned. I hate religion.
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Eyebrow, my little sweets, (is that positive enough) NOTHING about America's nor Canada's legal system is pleasant, positive, or fair. Quotes will have to ask himself" "How much justice can he afford?"
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To all the JWD Friends in Texas
by Eyebrow2 inhello, fellow texans!
you guys probably already are aware of prop 2 that is on the ballot here in tx.
but, i wanted to just put a reminder out there.
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While there may be a little fear mongering....there may be some substance behind it.
In Ohio for instance due to a similar vote....women in common law marriages were not able to file domestic violence charges against their common law husbands. Also, various other domestic issues were complicated by a law such as this.
There have been other instances in other states where it has become a problem. Unfortunately, one would not know the full ramifications of this until state judges rule on it someday in the future. I guess I do not understand why folks would care what other people do in a committed relationship. "Gay marriage" has been common place now in Mass. and the sky has not fallen. The divorce rate has not skyrocketed, and God has only sent hurricanes to "red" states considering such bigoted pieces of legislation. Perhaps he's trying to send a message to you "red" state folks? -
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Witnesses have cure for cancer!
by gumby inyes- sir- e brothers and sisters......your skin cancer worries are over!
just promise you won't tell anyone cuz we don't want just anybody benifiting.. watchtower 1913 july 1 p. 200 a cure for surface cancer .
..." we have recently learned of a very effective and simple remedy for cancers which show themselves on the surface of the body.
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OldFlame...you never quit surprising me with your posts. I can see now why you were a Witnoid.
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My Personal Ad - Update 11/4 see end of post
by Cygnus insorry i had to start a new topic but the board's software is not allowing me any replies and with all the newer people here they might want to get to know a little about me.. i was raised in a jw household that wasn't terribly strict, but strict enough where i had no worldly friends and wouldn't even consider college or extracurricular school activities.
baptized at 17. that and getting married just after turning 20 stunted me emotionally and i'm still recovering, though i think i'm doing an okay job.. started working in my father's business and pretty much took it over when he retired and moved to florida in 1995.. quit associating with jws in 1997 at age 25. jw wife left me on the advice of the elders, but she came back 5 months later.. grew my hair very long and pierced my ear.. in spring of 2000 two elders came to my house under the pretense of inviting me to the memorial.
" they then informed me that the real reason they were there was to serve me notice that a judicial hearing was being scheduled and i was asked several times to either attend or put something in writing that i was no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.. i chose to attend the hearing.
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Doesn't everyone have 2 new subjects / 75 posts a day limit?
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Well if the lawsuits work in Canada like they do here in the USA, he will have a court date about 3 years from now. Over the next 30 months the lawyers will trade motions, discovery, and whatnot. Quotes will run up a $ 200,000 bill in legal expenses.....against an adversary who unlimited resources. In three years a trial will ensue. Then whoever loses will appeal the decision. So we should have it all sorted out sometime in Oct. of 2010.
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My Personal Ad - Update 11/4 see end of post
by Cygnus insorry i had to start a new topic but the board's software is not allowing me any replies and with all the newer people here they might want to get to know a little about me.. i was raised in a jw household that wasn't terribly strict, but strict enough where i had no worldly friends and wouldn't even consider college or extracurricular school activities.
baptized at 17. that and getting married just after turning 20 stunted me emotionally and i'm still recovering, though i think i'm doing an okay job.. started working in my father's business and pretty much took it over when he retired and moved to florida in 1995.. quit associating with jws in 1997 at age 25. jw wife left me on the advice of the elders, but she came back 5 months later.. grew my hair very long and pierced my ear.. in spring of 2000 two elders came to my house under the pretense of inviting me to the memorial.
" they then informed me that the real reason they were there was to serve me notice that a judicial hearing was being scheduled and i was asked several times to either attend or put something in writing that i was no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.. i chose to attend the hearing.
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The 80's are already considered retro? Good God kill me now.